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ELT Batteries help.

RicoB

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Hey Group. Here is my dilemma. I have the ACK - E-04 ELT. I need to replace the batteries and on this unit the battery pack is $275 (it says on a warning label that you can't replace the individual cells) When i unscrewed to remove the battery pack i noticed that they are simply 4x D cells , not soldered or anything ( found them online for $16 each). Being experimental can we just replace the cells with that same ones? Put a new label on the case and call it good?


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Replace them? Well, yes you can do so.

BUT!!! What is the impact on the insurance coverage if you end up in an accident?

This is a product under a TSO------and it may very well work fine with different batteries, or not?? But methinks it will no longer be "legal" under the TSO.

What about the impact on your OPS limit paperwork?

Perhaps someone more knowledgeable will chime in with a definitive answer.
 
According to the manufacturer, replacing the cells invalids the TSO. There is a thread on this subject that is eight years old.

Yes replacing the batteries could be done pretty easy and at reasonable cost but it would not meet the TSO requirements of the FAA.

We could have an entire thread on would an Experimental battery pack that does not meet the TSO be found by the FAA and would your insurance coverage be valid with an experimental battery pack.
 
The answer to your question is yes...it will work (for at least awhile) and maybe save you a few bucks. Whether or not it's legal under 14 CFR 91.207, I don't know and don't really care. I'm relatively new to Experimental Aviation and refuse to cut corners on a safety item.

In experimental aviation, our maintenance decisions are largely constrained only by common sense and good safety practices. Where we draw the line between innovation/financial prudence and dogpatch/gonzo engineering just save some $ is an individual decision.
 
the answer is NO. an ELT is one of the items that must be TSO'ed even in an experimental. to maintain the TSO, the elt must be maintained in accordance with the manufacturers data. the manufacture requires you to replace the pack as a whole with the approved part, even for an experimental. some people will argue this, but that is the legal facts.
 
Ok. Understood. I will just order one from Spruce and call it done. I wanna keep it legal and Insurance worthy.
 
Ok. Understood. I will just order one from Spruce and call it done. I wanna keep it legal and Insurance worthy.
I would not be a bit surprised if it’s illegal to replace the battery yourself with Amazon-sourced cells. I have no idea. But I would be very surprised if doing so ever resulted in denial of an insurance claim. I mean, maybe if the battery caught fire and burned up the airplane after you tampered with it? Otherwise, what’s the rationale for denying a claim?
 
I would not be a bit surprised if it’s illegal to replace the battery yourself with Amazon-sourced cells. I have no idea. But I would be very surprised if doing so ever resulted in denial of an insurance claim. I mean, maybe if the battery caught fire and burned up the airplane after you tampered with it? Otherwise, what’s the rationale for denying a claim?
When I replaced mine (Artex), I bought the replacement battery off Amazon (best price) in November 2021. It was OEM, came as a module, and was $280. I note that it's now $349 on Amazon. sigh...
 
When I replaced mine (Artex), I bought the replacement battery off Amazon (best price) in November 2021. It was OEM, came as a module, and was $280. I note that it's now $349 on Amazon. sigh...
Holy frijoles!!

Well, on the bright side, at least you don’t have an ACK? 🤣 “Hello NORAD? Yes, it’s me again. No, as with all the other occasions, there wasn’t any reason it went off….”
 
...BUT!!! What is the impact on the insurance coverage if you end up in an accident?...

This question gets brought up from time to time, but I don't think there's any basis for it. Insurance companies pay off on stupid stuff all the time. It would be easy to determine by just reading the exclusions and limitations of your policy.
 
This question gets brought up from time to time, but I don't think there's any basis for it. Insurance companies pay off on stupid stuff all the time. It would be easy to determine by just reading the exclusions and limitations of your policy.
As much as I hate to, I changed mine to maintain TSO.

But in the back of my mine, would the insurance company disassemble your elt to see what batterys you have to deny a claim?
I think not, unless of course it caused the accident.

Tim
 
Two decades ago I was a mission pilot for the CAP. That decades-long experience chasing periodic bogus ELT hits has left me with a certain amount of skepticism regarding the value of ELT in flatland aviation operations. Admittedly, this was long before 406 mhz operation became a thing...maybe things are better now.
 
Two decades ago I was a mission pilot for the CAP. That decades-long experience chasing periodic bogus ELT hits has left me with a certain amount of skepticism regarding the value of ELT in flatland aviation operations. Admittedly, this was long before 406 mhz operation became a thing...maybe things are better now.
From what I've read the 406 works better when it works. But there are still lots of failed activations and false alarms. Had a false alarm the other day and the tower had everyone checking their AC. It was a local certified twin that had been parked for several hrs that had gone off.

We are still paying big dollars for certified junk that is marginally better than nothing. There was an ELT that was released that was initially certified to use off the shelf C or D cells. But for some reason it was pulled from the market.

Then having to test and certify our mode C/ transponders every 2 yrs to ensure they are reporting the proper altitude. Every day I go flying I have to squawk/ident and confirm my altitude. In my mind that should be good enough for a test as Im always with less than a 50 ft error

The world is full of rules. Some of course are important and some appear to be written by people who don't know what they are doing or based off science 50 yrs ago.

Like having skin cancer one time and having it completely removed. They will pull your license for that at least in Canada.

43 plus percentage of the population will get cancer of one form or another at some point in our lives. So be prepared for a long drawn out battle that can stretch into months or even years. This of course is in Canada. No idea what happens south of the 49th parallel but probably similar.

Tim
 
I think the percentage of ELT activations that are false alarms remains sky high. I’ve certainly done my part. I’ll resist the urge to make yet another crack about ACK. 🤣
Back in the 121.5 days, despite 14 ELT missions, I never once got one that was an actual airplane mishap. The most common scenario was tracking some guy that had thrown his ELT in the trunk of his car....those were hard to track down. Don't get me wrong though...nothing better than flying around on the Air Force's dime.
 
Then having to test and certify our mode C/ transponders every 2 yrs to ensure they are reporting the proper altitude. Every day I go flying I have to squawk/ident and confirm my altitude. In my mind that should be good enough for a test as Im always with less than a 50 ft error
I just had my biennial VFR Transponder check (in the US). The owner of the Repair Station did the check and we chatted about the PAPR replacing the VFR Transponder check. He said the PAPR does virtually everything he does … except the official Repair Station sign off. He did volunteer (and reminded me) that pilots have been allowed to do the required IFR VOR checks and log them forever. Remember VOTs?


So why not allow PAPRs in lieu of the biennial VFR Transponder checks??

When I suggested that he would probably lobby against using the PAPR in lieu of an official VFR Transponder check, he said, yes he probably would. He said it’s part of his bread and butter work. But I understand that other Repair Stations see VFR Transponder checks as a nuisance.

Like having skin cancer one time and having it completely removed. They will pull your license for that at least in Canada.

Thankfully, the FAA is not as Draconian about many skin cancer occurrences, especially uncomplicated local (skin only) Basal cell carcinoma (BCC) or Squamous cell carcinoma (SCC) completely treated (excised, destroyed, or Mohs procedure) and resolved. Even some Melanoma's. I've had some BCC's and each time my AME was able to issue a Third Class Medical during my exam.

The FAA's policy on skin cancer: https://www.faa.gov/ame_guide/app_process/exam_tech/item40/amd/malignantmelanoma

And I don't wear this funny looking mask now for nothing! :ROFLMAO:

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From what I've read the 406 works better when it works. But there are still lots of failed activations and false alarms. Had a false alarm the other day and the tower had everyone checking their AC. It was a local certified twin that had been parked for several hrs that had gone off.

We are still paying big dollars for certified junk that is marginally better than nothing. There was an ELT that was released that was initially certified to use off the shelf C or D cells. But for some reason it was pulled from the market.

Then having to test and certify our mode C/ transponders every 2 yrs to ensure they are reporting the proper altitude. Every day I go flying I have to squawk/ident and confirm my altitude. In my mind that should be good enough for a test as Im always with less than a 50 ft error

The world is full of rules. Some of course are important and some appear to be written by people who don't know what they are doing or based off science 50 yrs ago.

Like having skin cancer one time and having it completely removed. They will pull your license for that at least in Canada.

43 plus percentage of the population will get cancer of one form or another at some point in our lives. So be prepared for a long drawn out battle that can stretch into months or even years. This of course is in Canada. No idea what happens south of the 49th parallel but probably similar.

Tim
From what I’ve read the 121.5 transmits an omnidirectional signal that has to be tracked down. The 406 MHz signal instantly connects with the GPS system and relays your position. That alone seems worth the price of admission.
 
I just had my biennial VFR Transponder check (in the US). The owner of the Repair Station did the check and we chatted about the PAPR replacing the VFR Transponder check. He said the PAPR does virtually everything he does … except the official Repair Station sign off. He did volunteer (and reminded me) that pilots have been allowed to do the required IFR VOR checks and log them forever. Remember VOTs?


So why not allow PAPRs in lieu of the biennial VFR Transponder checks??

When I suggested that he would probably lobby against using the PAPR in lieu of an official VFR Transponder check, he said, yes he probably would. He said it’s part of his bread and butter work. But I understand that other Repair Stations see VFR Transponder checks as a nuisance.



Thankfully, the FAA is not as Draconian about many skin cancer occurrences, especially uncomplicated local (skin only) Basal cell carcinoma (BCC) or Squamous cell carcinoma (SCC) completely treated (excised, destroyed, or Mohs procedure) and resolved. Even some Melanoma's. I've had some BCC's and each time my AME was able to issue a Third Class Medical during my exam.

The FAA's policy on skin cancer: https://www.faa.gov/ame_guide/app_process/exam_tech/item40/amd/malignantmelanoma

And I don't wear this funny looking mask now for nothing! :ROFLMAO:

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Yes, I as well now have balaclava for the sun. As well I installed the sliding sunshade in my 9 to help. Big change as my whole life I was always in the sun unprotected and I never burnt. Anyway I probably have brought it onto my self according the the science. (maybe)

Mine was also cut out of my lower back with clear margins and I get checked at least twice a yr by the doctor and daily by my girlfriend. Anyway they TC want a 5 pt plan looking for MRIs, CT, prognosis, risk of metastases and reoccurrence, therapy's etc. Took them 10 months to get back to me on this. My family doctor and dermatologist are shocked with what TC wants.

Then the hearing aid use, copy of the old and a new audiogram wanted. I don't even use the hearing aids in the plane.

And if your using DHEA (is a drug in Canada and is an OTC supplement down there) or doing some sort of supervised HRT. They want detailed history of symptoms (initially this was to help on the recovery from TURP and voiding 14 times a day reduced to 6 to 7) medications, doseage, complete historical blood work, associated consults, investigations, imaging, prognosis, management plan and a report from an endocrinologist's, future plan and of course any adverse effects such am I stable...................

They have access to all of this on line with our Socialist Netcare System but obviously haven't looked. A month to pull together what they want, and I will bet another 10 months for his reply. So it will be almost 2 yrs into the games with these clowns before another roadblock is tossed my way.

I'm thinking this guy is looking at 50 yr old junk science and hasn't kept up with the times and who's soul purpose in life is to keep the ageing pilot out of the sky. I'm fortunate I have done this for 45 yrs for pleasure. Id hate to be flying for a living.

Tim
 
Yes, I as well now have balaclava for the sun. As well I installed the sliding sunshade in my 9 to help. Big change as my whole life I was always in the sun unprotected and I never burnt. Anyway I probably have brought it onto my self according the the science. (maybe)
Looks uncomfortable. Most plexiglass won't pass UV-B, and probably UV-A rays as well. The likelihood of basal cell or even squamous cell skin cancer (which are relatively trivial), let alone melanoma, is likely to be quite low.
 
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Looks uncomfortable. Most plexiglass won't pass UV-B, and probably UV-A rays. Likelihood of relatively trivial basal cell or even squamous cell skin cancer, let along melanoma is likely to be quite low.
The standard vans canopy used to be regular plexiglass with an optional upgrade to a UV blocking one. When I ordered the finishing kit for my 7 a couple of years ago I wanted to pony up for the UV blocker and was told that it was the standard one included with every finishing kit now. For the RV7 it's part number SC-15
 
The standard vans canopy used to be regular plexiglass with an optional upgrade to a UV blocking one. When I ordered the finishing kit for my 7 a couple of years ago I wanted to pony up for the UV blocker and was told that it was the standard one included with every finishing kit now. For the RV7 it's part number SC-15
Thats interesting, I will try and confirm what's in my 9.

Thanks
 
Glad the canopies currently supplied now incorporate the low UV option. A snippet from Van's store:

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Thats interesting, I will try and confirm what's in my 9.

Thanks
No problem.

Anecdotally, I think there's an easy way to tell if you have it or not: When I thought I was going to have to pay extra for it I talked to guys who had gone that way to see if it was worth the extra $300 bucks (back then) and was told that it filters out UV to such an extent that if you have glasses with lenses that get dark in the sun, they won't darken due to the uv filtration of the canopy.

$2,200 bucks, holy cow.
 
From what I’ve read the 121.5 transmits an omnidirectional signal that has to be tracked down. The 406 MHz signal instantly connects with the GPS system and relays your position. That alone seems worth the price of admission.
The GPS signal is optional and is NOT use on all 406 ELT installations. I do NOT have the GPS signal run to my 406 ELT as it is optional wires.

The advantage of the 406 ELT is that there are satellite assets in orbit that are used to help locate the ELT 406 signal.
 
Did anyone else catch that the battery in the OP’s pic is marked “3V?” Normal D cell batteries are 1.5V.
 
the answer is NO. an ELT is one of the items that must be TSO'ed even in an experimental. to maintain the TSO, the elt must be maintained in accordance with the manufacturers data. the manufacture requires you to replace the pack as a whole with the approved part, even for an experimental. some people will argue this, but that is the legal facts.
If it isn’t TSO’d due to improper battery replacement, would this make the plane not airworthy?
 
Did anyone else catch that the battery in the OP’s pic is marked “3V?” Normal D cell batteries are 1.5V.
Those are not "standard" D cell batteries. Those are Lithium Sulfur-Dioxide cells, and do indeed put out 3 volts per cell, though they are the same physical size as a standard D-cell.

You can buy the exact same cells online, but somehow replacing the batteries in the pack with the exact same cells is illegal to do in your garage, but legal (not only legal, but legally required) in the manufacturers shop. Do the math.

Extensively discussed years ago here.

https://vansairforce.net/threads/changing-battery-on-an-ack-e04-elt.136212/
 
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If it isn’t TSO’d due to improper battery replacement, would this make the plane not airworthy?
“Airworthiness” of an experimental is sort of its own can of worms. If replacing the battery oneself violates a FAR, that’s really all anyone needs to know.

If you’re asking whether violating a FAR voids your insurance, the answer is “sometimes, but far, far less often than most pilots seem to think.” It’s actually somewhat difficult to damage an airplane WITHOUT violating a FAR.

All of these vague opinions of mine are specific to the US.
 
The 406 MHz signal instantly connects with the GPS system and relays your position. That alone seems worth the price of admission.
Only if the GPS signal is active when the crash happens. Otherwise, the ELT has to wake up, wait for a GPS fix, and *then* send your location. All while the aircraft is burning, sinking, flipping upside down (you've got a GPS antenna on the belly, right?)...
 
Only if the GPS signal is active when the crash happens. Otherwise, the ELT has to wake up, wait for a GPS fix, and *then* send your location. All while the aircraft is burning, sinking, flipping upside down (you've got a GPS antenna on the belly, right?)...
You have the option of manually activating the ELT as part of your emergency procedures. Or you could choose a dual frequency ELT that simultaneously broadcasts on both frequencies.
 
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Back in the day, ELT's would broadcast on 121.5 only (assuming that the antenna wasn't severed in the crash :rolleyes:). Typically, we'd get a call from Colorado Springs SAR about a satellite hit and a very general location based on doppler shift (GPS had been invented but wasn't a thing yet). The mission pilot would eventually get a call via an elaborate phone tree and we'd start a search grid using a LORAN console in the aircraft (Cessna 172XP) and a standard direction finder to triangulate the signal once we acquired (if we acquired it). It often involved a lot of flying since up here in the hinterlands CAP squadrons that had planes or pilots were relatively few and far between. It was generally fun, and often boring, as is often typical of mission-based flying. We never did get called for an actual crash, but I recall the frustration of fiddling with the direction finder to track ELTs that were traveling around in the trunk of a car. The easier missions were when the ELT was stationary in a hangar somewhere. Our other mission back in those days was flying around in northern Minnesota with DEA agents looking for marijuana grow operations as part of the DARE program.

It was a lot of flying at Air Force expense and mostly a lot of fun. Nice equipment. Today, that squadron flies a brand new Cessna 182 with a truly awesome avionics suite. I confess to being a little jealous.
 
With the advent of Personal Location Devices (PLD) that communicate with satellites and good ones costing half of what a battery pack costs for an ELT, it makes me wonder why these aren't more widely used. I have one that was a Christmas gift and haven't activated the coverage yet but it seems like a GREAT alternative to an ELT. Or to supplement an ELT. Have it attached to your shoulder harness and activate it when you think things are going to go awry. :unsure:
 
Only if the GPS signal is active when the crash happens. Otherwise, the ELT has to wake up, wait for a GPS fix, and *then* send your location.
Do ELTs with their own internal GPS receivers exist? If so, do they have their own external GPS antenna?

The units I'm familiar with rely on an external GPS receiver (e.g. navigator, EFIS, etc) for position information, but I admit I haven't looked at every model available.
 
Back in the day, ELT's would broadcast on 121.5 only (assuming that the antenna wasn't severed in the crash :rolleyes:). Typically, we'd get a call from Colorado Springs SAR about a satellite hit and a very general location based on doppler shift (GPS had been invented but wasn't a thing yet). The mission pilot would eventually get a call via an elaborate phone tree and we'd start a search grid using a LORAN console in the aircraft (Cessna 172XP) and a standard direction finder to triangulate the signal once we acquired (if we acquired it).It was generally fun, and often boring, as is often typical of mission-based flying. We never did get called for an actual crash, but I recall the frustration of fiddling with the direction finder to track ELTs that were traveling around in the trunk of a car.
It was a lot of flying at Air Force expense and mostly a lot of fun. Nice equipment. Today, that squadron flies a brand new Cessna 182 with a truly awesome avionics suite. I confess to being a little jealous.
Brings back memories! I was loosely associated with the Montana CAP (no uniforms or CAP meetings) and we had practice Search and Rescue (SAR) every couple of months. We used our own aircraft and a couple of us would go out and put out 'targets', which was sometimes actual airplane parts but mostly aluminum foil stretched out to look like an airplane, sometimes hidden in a ravine or other sneaky places. There were pilot/observers that were great at locating targets, some not so good. There were times when a target would not be located that was CLEARLY visible from the air. It was enlightening. The lieutenant would go berserk when we would come into the pattern at a remote airport in formation! 😂 What? Wait.....were YOU in the pattern just now? Really? I didn't see you at ALL! 😂:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: We went out on several real SARs but without ELT information. Several of us were also mountain certified. My mountain certification got interesting when my certifier started to get airsick :sick: in the back seat of the Cub and I had to find a field to land in to get him calmed down! I passed! Yes: great flying at Air Force expense but also providing a much-needed service!
 
With the advent of Personal Location Devices (PLD) that communicate with satellites and good ones costing half of what a battery pack costs for an ELT, it makes me wonder why these aren't more widely used. I have one that was a Christmas gift and haven't activated the coverage yet but it seems like a GREAT alternative to an ELT. Or to supplement an ELT. Have it attached to your shoulder harness and activate it when you think things are going to go awry. :unsure:
Both my Apple Watch and iPhone have crash detection which will automatically send to satellite if a cellular or wifi connection aren't available if the device sees that I'm immobile for some period of time. I crashed my mountain bike last summer but was up and moving so the watch just asked me if I was OK. If I hadn't responded, it would have dialed 911 and I'd have some 'splainin' to do...
 
With the advent of Personal Location Devices (PLD) that communicate with satellites and good ones costing half of what a battery pack costs for an ELT, it makes me wonder why these aren't more widely used. I have one that was a Christmas gift and haven't activated the coverage yet but it seems like a GREAT alternative to an ELT. Or to supplement an ELT. Have it attached to your shoulder harness and activate it when you think things are going to go awry. :unsure:
ACR Resq-link+ This is exactly what I have. This one is no longer manufactured, but ACR has newer versions of it.
 
If it isn’t TSO’d due to improper battery replacement, would this make the plane not airworthy?
an experimental is never airworthy, it is in a safe condition for flight. if it safe? i would say so. HOWEVER, the pilot in command is expected to know the FAR's and not operate outside the FAR's. it would be a very easy for the FAA to say, you are required to have a TSo'ed ELT and not maintaining it in accordance with the TSO is required and the pilot should know that. especially since it says it right on the ELT. they would probably have no problem violating a pilot for it, and making it stick, and im am willing to bet they would throw 91.13 in there also.
 
an experimental is never airworthy, it is in a safe condition for flight. if it safe? i would say so. HOWEVER, the pilot in command is expected to know the FAR's and not operate outside the FAR's. it would be a very easy for the FAA to say, you are required to have a TSo'ed ELT and not maintaining it in accordance with the TSO is required and the pilot should know that. especially since it says it right on the ELT. they would probably have no problem violating a pilot for it, and making it stick, and im am willing to bet they would throw 91.13 in there also.
They will throw 91.13 in there for ANY violation. If you can manage to blow a tire and get their attention, you can bet that 91.13 will be discussed.
 
You have the option of manually activating the ELT as part of your emergency procedures. Or you could choose a dual frequency ELT that simultaneously broadcasts on both frequencies.

But then you're back to no better than a 121.5 ELT, which really isn't any good anymore as no satellites are monitoring them. And if pre-activation as part of your procedure is acceptable, we don't need ELT's anyway. Spot, PLB, etc.

No, the solution today is to have a G-switch added to your ADS-B transmitter. Global satellite monitoring, live tracking, and near instant alerting.
 
But then you're back to no better than a 121.5 ELT, which really isn't any good anymore as no satellites are monitoring them. And if pre-activation as part of your procedure is acceptable, we don't need ELT's anyway. Spot, PLB, etc.

No, the solution today is to have a G-switch added to your ADS-B transmitter. Global satellite monitoring, live tracking, and near instant alerting.
Waiting around for FAA/NASA to develop some new technology is not a winning strategy.

You said: “Only if the GPS signal is active when the crash happens. Otherwise, the ELT has to wake up, wait for a GPS fix, and *then* send your location. All while the aircraft is burning, sinking, flipping upside down (you've got a GPS antenna on the belly, right?)”

It probably wouldn’t be an option for you if you regularly perform water operations.

A dual frequency ELT with a remote activation switch looks like a better choice based upon what is actually available today.
 
If a crash is required to wake up the GPS position in the ELT, would it be prudent to add “turn it on” to the emergency checklist If you are on your way to the scene of the crash?
 
If a crash is required to wake up the GPS position in the ELT, would it be prudent to add “turn it on” to the emergency checklist If you are on your way to the scene of the crash?
I always assumed that is why the switch is located on the panel right in front of the pilot but you're correct...that is not an item on the emergency checklist. I've switched mine on by accident while trying to steady my hand for the touchscreen during turbulence. A call from the Air Force upon landing cleared it up.

I've also considered buying a ResQLink for flying. I also hike Colorado waaaaaay deep in the wilds so it would serve double duty.

Sidenote: How is the "scene of the crash" depicted on the charts?
 
If a crash is required to wake up the GPS position in the ELT, would it be prudent to add “turn it on” to the emergency checklist If you are on your way to the scene of the crash?
My thinking exactly! I am an A&P and will be redoing my panel in a few weeks. After researching the 406 mhz ELT it makes sense that if you had an in flight emergency that put making an airfield in doubt, switch that puppy ON! So much better than an 121.5 ELT that requires both crash activation and a search party with directional antenna to find your crash site.

My ELT battery requires replacement in April. Seems like a great time to buy 406 mhz with a remote activation switch.
 
If a crash is required to wake up the GPS position in the ELT, would it be prudent to add “turn it on” to the emergency checklist If you are on your way to the scene of the crash?
Most definitely, always on any checklist I have developed/used for an engine out. Personally, I would find pushing that little red button waaaaaay higher on my priority list than squawking 7700 if time was limited.
 
My thinking exactly! I am an A&P and will be redoing my panel in a few weeks. After researching the 406 mhz ELT it makes sense that if you had an in flight emergency that put making an airfield in doubt, switch that puppy ON! So much better than an 121.5 ELT that requires both crash activation and a search party with directional antenna to find your crash site.

My ELT battery requires replacement in April. Seems like a great time to buy 406 mhz with a remote activation switch.
I don’t have time to go reread the manuals but I have stuck in my head that my acr-346 requires around 50 seconds from activation until transmitting a gps position. This is why they strongly recommend activating before the crash.
 
Most definitely, always on any checklist I have developed/used for an engine out. Personally, I would find pushing that little red button waaaaaay higher on my priority list than squawking 7700 if time was limited.
Exactly! Hitting the ELT button has always been on mine as well and pretty high up on the list. Messing with the transponder is not even on my list! If I was at 10K, maybe I would have time to mess with that. I think there are many more important items on the list that I would be occupied with. Like: FLY THE AIRPLANE! Aviate, navigate, communicate. That is why it is third on the list....
 
I don’t have time to go reread the manuals but I have stuck in my head that my acr-346 requires around 50 seconds from activation until transmitting a gps position. This is why they strongly recommend activating before the crash.
Exactly. So what value does a g-switch give you, and if the G-switch isn't adding any value, then why do we need an expensive 406 MHz ELT when a SPOT/PLB/ADS-B squawk does the same thing?
 
Exactly. So what value does a g-switch give you, and if the G-switch isn't adding any value, then why do we need an expensive 406 MHz ELT when a SPOT/PLB/ADS-B squawk does the same thing?
Agreed! Has current technology passed up the need for an ELT? When they first came out there was nothing else that worked like they did. Now there are other technologies that work just as well if not better. Especially if coupled together: ADS-B track ending followed by a PLB broadcast. I can text with my PLB; I can't do that with my ELT. :unsure: I remember when LORAN was a huge deal! Now...........

But I must admit I like the idea of having an ELT in my airplanes! 😊
 
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