Round dial panels demise is official

[benamyava]

ADS-B Equipment Required in Next Decade
Notice Number: NOTC2314


New Automatic Dependent Surveillance ? Broadcast (ADS-B) Rule

On May 27, 2010, the FAA published new rules (contained in 14 CFR ?92.225 and ?91.227) mandating airspace and avionics performance requirements after January 1, 2020. The avionics perform a function that is generally known as ?ADS-B Out? which transmits precise location and other information about the aircraft to ground stations and other ADS-B equipped aircraft.

The ADS-B rule mandates ADS-B Out avionics performance when operating within the designated airspace, giving aircraft owners approximately 10 years to equip.

The ADS-B rule, like current transponder operating requirements, requires operators to have ADS-B Out avionics installed and operating in order to fly their aircraft in the busiest airspace, as described below:

Class A, B, and C airspace.
All airspace at and above 10,000 feet MSL (mean sea level) over the 48 contiguous United States and the District of Columbia.
Within 30 nautical miles of airports listed in 14 CFR ?91.225, from the surface up to 10,000 feet MSL.
Class E airspace over the Gulf of Mexico from the coastline of the United States out to 12 nautical miles, at and above 3,000 feet MSL.
FAA Technical Service Orders (TSOs) describe the equipment approved for ADS-B operations. The ADS-B rule states that avionics must meet the standards of either TSO-C166b (for 1090ES link equipment) or TSO-C154c (for UAT link equipment). TSO-C166b is required in Class A airspace and either link can be used in all other airspace.

For more information about the FAA?s ADS-B program, visit www.adsb.gov.

Questions?
Contact the FAA Flight Standards ADS-B Office at: 9-AWA-AVS-ADS-Programs-AFS@faa.gov.
Contact the FAA Aircraft Certification ADS-B Office at: 9-AWA-AVS-ADS-Programs-AIR@faa.gov.


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[mculver]

Direct link to the entire doc: http://www.federalregister.gov/OFRUp...0-12645_PI.pdf

[rzbill]

I would put Navworks in TODAY (and I might still ) if I didn't already spend MORE on a &^#%!!! transponder!

Since the ADS-B out provides the data needed to ATC to perform what is done now with transponders, one would ASSUME that transponders will become a thing of the past. I have not heard one peep about when THAT date is to occur. I imagine I will be dead and buried before we don't have to carry both on the panel.

I actually couldn't care less about ADS-B "out". ADS-B "in" is what will help me in the cockpit.

[N395V]

requirements after January 1, 2020.

In January 2020 I will once again be wearing diapers and eating baby food.

[gvgoff99]

Originally Posted by rzbill

I actually couldn't care less about ADS-B "out". ADS-B "in" is what will help me in the cockpit.

I agree, NavWorx agrees ....however...... the problem seems to be that some passive aggressive type in the FAA has the ADS-B "out" feature shut off to people with ADS-B "in" unless the ground station first detects an ADS-B "out" signal. If there is a plane in the area that has ADS-B "out" then the "in" signal can be received by everyone in the area where the "out" signal is detected. But the "in" only receiver will only get a "in" signal to use if there is an "out" guy in the area.
There are people with some common safety sense, that are fighting this but for the time being both are needed for reliable reception.

This may be a mute point, for the most part, in areas where there are commercial guys in the air.

Even so: Pretty sad!

[Ron Lee]

This has ZERO tie to round/steam gauges. I am adamantly opposed to this mandate since it buys me NADA....except an expense. Maybe you get an APRS like trail...if you fly where there is coverage.

[benamyava]

The myth of ADS-B "out" providing only current mode C transponder data is false. ADS-B's current and planned CNS capabilities are far more extensive. Round dial electromechanical instruments do not have ARNIC 429/729 capabilities and will not be able to provide the data parameters needed.

[Ron Lee]

CNS is communications/navigation/surveillance

ADS-B Out provides GPS/WAAS generated position/aircraft ID data to appropriate receiver systems on the ground and in the air.

Whether I have steam gauges is irrelevant. You do not need a glass panel from my understanding. If I am wrong then that ups the cost a lot.

Back to CNS. ADS-B Out is a one way system. It sends position data. It receives nada from the ground. It does not provide the pilot nav info. Thus in my opinion it is only a surveillance type system.

The benefit is to the FAA...not the GA pilot. See my detailed view here

http://stopads-b.org/ADS.htm

[benamyava]

Originally Posted by Ron Lee

CNS is communications/navigation/surveillance

ADS-B Out provides GPS/WAAS generated position/aircraft ID data to appropriate receiver systems on the ground and in the air.

Whether I have steam gauges is irrelevant. You do not need a glass panel from my understanding. If I am wrong then that ups the cost a lot.

Back to CNS. ADS-B Out is a one way system. It sends position data. It receives nada from the ground. It does not provide the pilot nav info. Thus in my opinion it is only a surveillance type system.

The benefit is to the FAA...not the GA pilot. See my detailed view here

http://stopads-b.org/ADS.htm

The PFD is the heart of an ADS-B cockpit. ADS-B technology is not another transponder "box" we currently use. The PFD will be the processor which relays all AIRNC 429 bus data out to the 1090 Mhz squinter piggy backed on the Mode S transponder signal.

ADS-B "out" information is not only going to transmit the current position of the equipped aircraft but also its "intentions." The "intentions" will be connected via the AIRNC 429/729 bus. The DEAL BREAKING INFO required is not the position of the aircraft but its intentions in the form of the flight plan loaded into the GPS or the current mode control panel settings of the lateral mode and vertical mode.

The old concept called "Free Flight?" has matured into Autonomous Flight Rules (AFR). AFR embodies the benefits of ADS-B.

AFR is where this is all headed. ADS-B "out" is required for AFR operations to be allowed to operate "autonomously" while maintaining their surveillance and ensuring their separation in the system.

[N200PF]

This is GREAT NEWS for those of us that are interested in flight safety. ...and ADS-B without an equipment mandate would hold little value. If you can't see everyone what's the point?

I can only imagine what Garmin's going to charge to upgrade the 900X. That will be fun.

- Peter