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Old 06-27-2020, 11:44 PM
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I don?t know how to embed a photo but follow the link to see my strictly vfr RV4 panel that does everything I need. The iPad mini is in a Guardian flushmount, which I had to modify with a Dremel to get the audio plug to fit, and I love the setup.

This photo is older, I now have a transponder mounted under the panel which feeds ADSB In data to the iPad and has the Stratus ADHRS if I really want to use the iPad as a backup to the EFIS. I have not had problems with overheating, I put a towel over the panel if I will be parked in the sun, and it?s possible to mount a small computer cooling fan onto the back of the Guardian mount if you want extra cooling.

I wired the iPad audio into the intercom so it warns me about traffic, and all of the warnings Foreflight provides. This is an ancient EFIS but fulfills all of my needs.
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Old 06-28-2020, 06:22 AM
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The 3 panel is small but it is possible to fit in quite a lot of unnecessary stuff, here my example of just that with a 10" screen. Probably regret it when it comes to weigh in time but I do like to look at stuff and gadgetry.

Build it how you want it Dave but I do like Andy Hill's panel as clean and practical.

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Old 06-28-2020, 08:42 AM
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Having said you are going for a VFR panel, you really don't need a lot on the panel unless you like gadgets. Stick with the basics. Its amazing what you can get in a small package these days.
I personally do not like consoles between my legs, sub panels and vents, etc sticking below the panel. In an accident, they are things that can cut you and entrap you.
For me, I mounted an EFIS that included an internal GPS, Auotpilot, moving map and showed all the engine parameters. There are more than one that include all these, but I prefer GRT.
I also mounted a TXP, Comm and EIS system on the panel and there was still room for switches and lights.
iPads and iPhones are great back ups and emergency devices that can get you home, but to me they are often hard to read and failure prone in the heat. Plus, you have to keep them charged so you need a USB connection for that if you take long flights.
In the end, its your plane so install what fits your personal mission.
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Old 06-28-2020, 09:19 AM
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Simple, Day VFR? I?d put the Dynon in the middle of the panel, and forget about the G5 as a backup. You can fly the airplane just fine with no instruments at all. I personally am not a fan of panel-mounted iPads, mostly because as soon as you customize the panel for one, they?ll change the iPad design, your old one will fail, and it doesn?t fit right - plus, the heat thing. I always fly with an iPad these days, but it sits on my leg - either a mini (in the jet or -3) or my 9.7? (in the other planes).

I am also a big believer in panel Visual symmetry, but that is art....
Everything Paul said, for the same reasons, IMO.

I would also ditch the panel-mounted radio, and remote-mount something that you control through the Skyview.
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Old 06-28-2020, 10:14 AM
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Center the 10 inch HDX on the panel and get rid of everything else. (Except the radio and I think you'd be better off with the Dynon SV-Panel Com) That will leave plenty of room on the main panel for toggle switches, so you won't need to extend the panel lower for those switches. Also be careful about toggle switches at the bottom of the panel that can get moved or broken when getting in or out.

This is a basic VFR panel and doesn't need multiple backups. You'll be amazed at how much information can be displayed on a 10 inch HDX.
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Old 06-28-2020, 06:55 PM
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I thought that a wet compass and an eight day clock belonged on every aircraft.
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Old 06-29-2020, 07:22 AM
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I would pick #1 - I prefer my backup steam instruments be near the top of the panel so that I can glance at them, and back to the windscreen, if the main panel fails. For me (and I only speak for me) Having the ASI down on the lower left far away from the view out is not optimal.


If possible I would place the T&B under the ASI - it may just be a personal preference but I'd rather look up and down for those two rather than side to side.

I agree with others - iPad elsewhere ... off the panel
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Old 06-29-2020, 08:12 AM
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I would put the dynon as high as you can get and right in front of you, that is what you'll be looking at 90% of the time.I had no problems with my 7" screen but now with the moving maps and remote controls the 10" is probably the way to go.
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Old 06-30-2020, 12:41 PM
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Everyone, thanks very much for your comments. I've summarized them in italics with my thoughts following.


The iPad over heats and isn?t bright enough anyway.

I think those issues are more or less under control with a shade and past experience. I can add a fan if necessary.


Dump the clock, ASI, ball and G5.

The ASI is there for flying in the pattern. I gave that a lot of thought and decided that I wanted it. The clock?s minute hand points to the tank I need to be on, a good reminder since my experience to date is with the fuel firmly set to ?both.? The ball is a preference item since the Dynon one is relatively small. I did decide to go with Option 1, though, eliminating the G5. The reason is that it really isn?t a navigation device without additional hardware. As someone pointed out, I don?t need it to just fly the plane.


Too darn much stuff. The iPad should be on my thigh.

And perhaps it?ll migrate there eventually. As for the stuff, it is what it is. Not trying to pack the panel, really, I?d like to keep it simple.


Use a Garmin portable map device instead of the iPad.

Not gonna happen. The iPad receives the ADS-B in which the Garmin won't (I'm not using Dynon's ADS-B in) and the iPad does other things if necessary.


Bob - thanks for the comment about the 7? HDX.

I really like JAB?s RV-4 panel, thanks for linking to that photo.


The iPad should be vertical.

I like to navigate with north up and the map or screen?s long axis more or less aligned with the direction of flight. Been doing that for decades. The iPad will be able to rotate to a vertical position when desired, it won?t be fixed to the horizontal. A benefit of not using one of the commercial mounts. Also, I can swap out iPads if desired, for a different model, as long as it fits.


Dump the panel-mounted com radio. Use Dynon?s.

Dynon?s is a heavy choice. The one I chose, Trig?s, is lighter, and that?s why I chose it.


You forgot the whiskey compass, dummy!

Out here, most of the time, I can probably find my way around without one. We have a lot of roads oriented north/south or east/west. And that?s only if the GPS system packs it in. If that?s active, one of the screens ought to get me to an airport. If I?m out rambling somewhere else and GPS goes away, the map in the iPad plus what I can see ought to be good enough. It?s called dead reckoning. That said, yeah, I?ve thought about a compass more than once.


The slip indicator ought to be under the ASI.

You?re right - done.


The EFIS should be centered.

With a bigger panel, sure. For this one, this is where things fit.

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