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Canadian_JOY 04-26-2017 09:48 PM

As Carl so accurately observed, my choice of words was quite intentional. Alkaline D-cells just don't do well when asked to put out the large current spike required for the high transmission power of the 406MHz data burst. As a result there are no 406MHz ELTs which are certified for use with over-the-counter alkaline D-cells.

While it may not be immediately obvious, ELT manufacturers aren't getting super-rich selling ELT's. They rely on the sales of battery packs to provide some on-going income, without which the sale of 406MHz ELT's in the sub-$1000 range would be totally unsustainable.

todehnal 04-27-2017 05:37 AM

So, is the Ultralife U10014 the one we need?

I see that there are quite a few "D" cells offered
U10013, U10014, U10015, U10016, etc. Confusing!

Tom

Mich48041 04-27-2017 06:09 AM

Part numbers: U10015 and U10016 have solder tabs.

RFSchaller 04-27-2017 08:23 PM

The term "airworthy" is interesting. We do not certify our experimental aircraft to be airworthy at annual because there is no type certificate we comply with. We certify they are in a condition for safe operation. We can fly with avionics in IMC even if they aren't TSO'd. Why would you conclude the ELT must be TSO'd?

Canadian_JOY 04-30-2017 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RFSchaller (Post 1169095)
The term "airworthy" is interesting. We do not certify our experimental aircraft to be airworthy at annual because there is no type certificate we comply with. We certify they are in a condition for safe operation. We can fly with avionics in IMC even if they aren't TSO'd. Why would you conclude the ELT must be TSO'd?

Ummm... not to be too argumentative, but we ARE required to use some TSO'd avionics when we fly IFR, or to have verifiable performance in compliance with the TSO. As an example (and, regrettably, a darned expensive one) nobody is flying with a non-TSO'd GPS navigator to do LPV approaches because very, very few people have the capacity to design a device to the same standard as required by the TSO AND demonstrate that it meets the technical and performance standards set out in the TSO.

With respect to ELT's, I won't do all the leg work for you but rather will suggest you peruse some earlier discussions on this topic wherein you will find references to the exact FAR which mandates the carriage of a TSO approved ELT. It does not mandate a 406MHz ELT, but it does mandate a device approved under TSO C91a (for new installations on US-registered aircraft) or any of the versions of TSO C126.

RFSchaller 04-30-2017 10:21 PM

A Canuck citing FARs?!😝

Canadian_JOY 05-01-2017 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RFSchaller (Post 1169832)
A Canuck citing FARs?!😝

Almost as funny as an American who remains unaware of FARs, despite the best efforts of others to lead him into the light... ;)

Piper J3 05-01-2017 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Canadian_JOY (Post 1169871)
Almost as funny as an American who remains unaware of FARs, despite the best efforts of others to lead him into the light... ;)

Excellent... need neighbors to our north to help straighten out American politics as well.

And that isn't even funny. :mad:

RFSchaller 05-01-2017 10:50 AM

OK, this is war! We're sending Justin Bieber back!😜

rvbuilder2002 05-01-2017 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RFSchaller (Post 1168775)
Mark,

Some ELTs use Duracell D cells. That would seem to contradict your conclusion.

Rich

The designer and Manufacturer of that ELT specifically specified Duracell D sized batteries (with expiration date) so using them as replacements (actually when delivered, the new the ELT's came without any batteries) met the TSO.

91.207 Emergency locator transmitters.

(a) Except as provided in paragraphs (e) and (f) of this section, no person may operate a U.S.-registered civil airplane unless -

(1) There is attached to the airplane an approved automatic type emergency locator transmitter that is in operable condition for the following operations, except that after June 21, 1995, an emergency locator transmitter that meets the requirements of TSO-C91 may not be used for new installations:

91.207 also dictates what inspections and record keeping of those inspections is required for all U.S. civil aircraft.


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